This whole exchange is interesting and is closely related to our current research on prior distributions and Bayesian inference for varying-intercept, varying-slope models.
It all started when Sean Zhang asked,
I am using your book to self-teach myself using R for multilevel modeling.
One question I have is that why lmer cannot provide var-cov matrix of estimates of random components. You mentioned in your book that lmer can only provide point estimates for variance component and that is one of the reasons to go Bayesian and use Bugs.
I am running a simple random intercept model using SAS glimmix and found that glimmix provides standard error for variance estimate of random intercept. I looked into glimmix document(see attachment, page 121, theta contains random effect parameters) and can imagine that SAS may use hessian or outer produce of gradient (see page for their likelihood function) to get them.
My question is then why lmer cannot do similar thing as SAS to report var-cov matrix of estimates of random components?
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